Monday, November 14, 2011

Should I apply?

I'm really stressed about some unbloggable issues in my personal life. Like, really stressed. It's making it difficult to deal with run-of-the-mill stressors like the hassle of getting license plate for my new car. And even more difficult to make more important decisions. So I turn to you, dear readers.

This post will probably self-destruct pretty soon. Sorry it's so long. I wrote it mostly so I could clear my head.

Ok, so I've been in my postdoc for a year and nine months. I made a rather big change in what I do and the new stuff is VERY sexy. It's also extremely interdisciplinary, to the degree that I would never learn the other parts well enough to do them myself (no one would). There have been quite a few job ads aimed at someone with my postdoc skills, including one in my PhD department. However, I decided not to apply for jobs this year for four reasons. 1) despite being in this lab for over a year, I have acquired very few of the skills someone would expect me to have coming out of a postdoc like this. Instead of learning the lab techniques, I have been designing experiments, writing proposals, and analyzing/interpreting already-collected data, all of which rely on the skills I acquired through my PhD. There's hope, though. One of my projects should start to bear data soon, and that will teach me screeds. Another should provide an opportunity to learn some of the lab skills, and a third will be cool as hell. So I should learn a lot in the next 6-12 months. 2) My publishing record sucks. The second paper from my PhD is now in press and I"m working on the third. The first paper from my postdoc has been rejected twice and we've been sitting on it. However, I expect the next year to be extremely productive in terms of papers. 3) My postdoc advisor suggested I wait, since next year my application would be SO much better and I don't want people to associate me with this year's weak application. 4) EGM is still not finished with his thesis. The date just keeps getting pushed back and he's feeling awful about it. I feel like he will feel terribly trapped, left behind, and like a failure if I get a permanent position and he has to go where I go. Like it would do permanent damage to our relationship.

My grad advisor has encouraged me to apply for the position in his department. In addition to the factors listed above, there are other reasons not to apply. 1) I don't think I'm competitive. 2) I have lots of friends among the grad students, and it would be a bit weird. 3) I have absolutely no business teaching the topic of my postdoc as a basic undergrad course. I simply do not have the background for it. 4) I'm still not convinced I want to be  professor. 5) I don't have the skills to launch a lab in the area of my postdoc research. 6) My negative feelings about the department have not yet entirely abated. 7) If on the off-off chance that I got this job, how annoyed would I be that I didn't apply elsewhere, like someplace in a better climate? 8) Given all this, I don't want to spend the time and effort on an application.

So, why would I even consider applying for it? 1) My institution really doesn't like to keep postdocs for more than three years, so applying for jobs next year is potentially going to leave me with a gap. 2) It's flattering to have someone encourage you to apply. 3) We know we mostly like this city 4) EGM could likely find something here, even though it would probably not be what he really wants 5) My contacts on the hiring committee might improve my chances 6) Would a man ever hold back in a situation like this? 7) This job is written for me, inasmuch as it's written for what I do now. I might be able to negotiate a later start date and by that point I would probably be qualified for the job. 8) My research is SO interdisciplinary that I would never be able to do it on my own. Thus, being close to my current postdoc lab would mean I could continue to collaborate with them. It might be one of the only ways to do this type of work long-term.

So, what should I do? I had decided not to apply, but then I got an email from grad advisor saying I should. The application is due Friday, and if I do it I think it will take me most of the week to put together something decent.

16 comments:

Ewan said...

I think that for once a cliche might be appropriate. "Be the person you want to be." If you are thinking "I could do this job next year" then heck, apply for it this year and if needed have the first year be even more of a learning experience than it would otherwise be.

On the other hand, your reason (4) - damage to relationship - if you decide that's real, may trumnp all of the above. I think your first set of reasons 1-3 are non-issues entirely; and of the second set, only 6 and 8 look as though they're other than honestly minor and to-be-ignored.

If someone was *inviting* me to apply for a job that I thought I might want, and I knew that I had to apply for jobs next year at latest, there would not be a moment's doubt that I would, could, and should do it.

Cath@VWXYNot? said...

On balance, I'd say "apply". Or at least start the process. It'd be good experience and you can pull out at any time, and even if they offer it to you, you don't have to take it...

There's also the fact that interviewing somewhere you know would make them much more understanding of your publication record. You say you expect it to be much better in a year or two, but what if the science gods don't play ball and the anticipated papers end up taking longer?

It's always (well, OK, usually) better to regret doing something than to regret NOT doing it...

EcoGeoFemme said...

Thanks for the feedback. I talked to my boss about it and I'm going to apply. If nothing else, it might help me gain leverage to get a "permanent" position at my current place, which would be a really good thing.

chall said...

I'd probably apply. It's not a given you'll get it, it's not a given you'll like it if they offer it to you.... but if you don't apply you don't even know.... In short, worry about that when you have to cross that path! Right now, it's building experience and checking the competition?

But I understand the hesitation. I tend to think like Cath though, more often regret something you've done than regret not doing something....

And of course, I'd be too flattered if someone from my old department wanted me to apply for a scientist position (chances of that happening - snowball in hot place?! )

EcoGeoFemme said...

Yeah, chances are slim that I'd even get an interview, let alone an offer, so of course I need to cross that bridge when I come to it. I guess I'm more concerned about looking foolish to colleagues who know me well enough to remember.

Banshee said...

I agree with all the advice given so far - I especially like the first comment.

I wouldn't worry about looking foolish - be confident and don't sell yourself short. Instead of "I have a weak publication record" it's "my publication record isn't as strong as I'd like it to be".

And if you do get an offer, then have serious talks with EGM and serious talks with yourself and figure out if that's the job you want or not! Just applying will be good practice in itself.

Go get 'em!

Nina said...

I agree with all said above, but on top of that I really really think that EGM's feelings should not be "feeling trapped" and that if you happen to to find a good (permanent) position that you want he should be supportive. I know it's not that easy, and I know how AWFUL the trapped feeling is, but I'm sure he would support you in your career??

Anyway, seems you already have decided, so good luck and just gain from the experience what you can!

(also a belated congrats on your marriage! Tried to post that before, but didn't get through somehow)

Rebecca said...

Apply! Now that I've been on the hiring side for a while, let me tell you that you would be shocked -- SHOCKED, I tell you! -- by the number of men who are completely underqualified but apply nonetheless. On the other hand, no women ever do that. So if you think you might be in the ballpark of qualified, that means you probably are qualified and you should apply. You'll have no regrets. Oh, and nobody's going to think you're foolish.

hgg said...

Freaking blogger just ate my long and thoughtful comment, dammit. I think it went something like this

a. Apply! Good practise for later applications
b. you can improve skills and publish papers while you wait for the decision
c. Ponder the reversed situation. Would your man feel this bad if he had a perfect-fit job ad with lots of people cheering for him to apply?
d. disclaimer; I'm biased by my own long-term long-distance relationship.

makita said...

I say apply! If you get it, great. If not, you really need to get your stuff together for the next application. It sounds like you will likely make it to the interview stage, and nothing can prepare you for future interviews like an interview. It's a lot of work getting an application package ready. I've been working on a few myself this year.
1. Get letters of recommendation.
2. Update CV.
3. Write statement of teaching philosophy.
4. Write statement of research.
5. Get copies of all your degrees and transcripts.

Once you have it together it's easier to keep it up-to-date.

Good luck!

EcoGeoFemme said...

You guys are great. I really appreciate all these thoughtful comments!

ScientistMother said...

Spousal appointments. In the worst case scenario egm gets s job somewhere else & you look for a position there, as a PI lving an institution for another

Amelie said...

It seems you're already in the middle of writing the application, so good luck! I very much understand your point about EGM though -- we're in a somewhat similar situation in that my publication record is stronger than R's (not his fault, but a combination of time and luck) and he feels that my post-doc work is going better than his, so he's already unhappy with that situation... and I think it'd be really hard on him if I was applying for permanent positions and he wasn't [yet]. Unfortunately, other than seriously talking about it and trying to figure out where we want to go (job- and life-wise), I don't know what to do about this...

EcoGeoFemme said...

Yeah, it's not that EGM is unsupportive. It's that I would be taking a permanent position before he even had a chance to do a postdoc. I'd hate that if the situation were reversed.

ScienceGirl said...

When I hear you say you might be ready for this job with a later date, I really hear you saying you are ready just not as sure of yourself as a guy would be. I don't see any reasons not to apply - by the time you'd be offered a position, you'd have more information on which to base your decision on, including both your and EGM's options. Good luck!

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