Yesterday I said how my work is all log-jammed by an overdue review. I feel bad that I haven't finished it, yet I can't get myself to get it done. I think the reason is that I feel unsure about my comments. Although I'm still green enough to feel sort of honored to be a reviewer, I hate doing it because I'm not sure if I know what I'm doing. Chuck recently wrote a nice post (with some good advice) about how learning to peer review is a major gap in grad student training. I agree.
This is not my first review. Occasionally, Research Advisor will get asked to review a paper that looks straightforward but she doesn't have time to read. If she thinks I can handle the content, she'll suggest me as a reviewer, letting the editor know that I am her student and that she will assist me if needed. So I read the paper and write the review, asking her questions as necessary. I also rely on her vast experience to help me determine how serious any errors are. I know that grad students are notoriously harsh reviewers and I have to admit I don't always have the judgment to decide if the fact that the authors used technique x instead of y is enough to kill the paper*.
This system works, I guess. It gives me an opportunity to cut my teeth on reviewing, a job I'm going to have to learn sooner or later. It's great to have a safety net. I think I'd be paralyzed with nerves if I had to submit the review without confirmation that it was sensible.
On the other hand, I would have really liked a little more training for this. If feels weird to me to write reviews when I have not received any for my own work. Sure, I've seen the reviews from a few of my colleagues' papers, but that's different from reading comments on your own work, which you know much more intimately (I hadn't even read the versions of my colleagues' manuscripts that were reviewed). I think the best scenario would be -- with the editor's blessing -- for RA and I both to review the same paper, with her having responsibility for it. We'd both write comments, discuss them, and then she would submit the review but I would get to read what she wrote. Perhaps we could do it that way a couple of times and then switch roles so that I would submit the final comments. After that, I could do my own reviews with the opportunity to check things with her as needed. I know that creates a lot more work**, but this is such an important part of the way we do science that I think it's worth it to take the time to properly train new students how to do it.
*I know the editor makes the final decision and all, but reviewers are still asked to give an overall judgment of the paper.
** I haven't asked her to do it this way because usually if she passes a review to me, she's totally swamped and I feel bad asking for her time. Plus, by the time it occurred to me to do it this way, I had done enough that I think she probably thinks I'm doing just fine.
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This really is an overlooked skill! I just did one for my MS thesis advisor and being worried that she would be 'grading' me on my review made it so hard for me to finish it.
Perhaps you can get more practice by making yourself available for 'friendly' reviews of labmates or others in your department and doing those in the form of a 'real' review.
So many journal clubs just rip apart published manuscripts anyway- it would be great to have one where you do practice reviews of published papers and discuss the process in addition to the paper.
I'm glad to hear that someone else feels the same way. And I agree with you that discussions of papers are often mostly about the problems. That made me worry that I was just looking for flaws instead of evaluating the net worth of the paper. The drawback of practicing reviews on published papers is that you can't see what it was like before it benefited from review. A paper could be a diamond in the rough -- a great piece of science obscured by some flaws. That's the part for which I feel like I lack good judgment.
I just submitted my review (finally!) and my comments are very similar to the other reviewer's, although mine are more thorough. I feel better about it now.
Your advisor should really go through your review and then get back to you with some evaluation on how you did... after all, I am quite sure that Advisor will take the credit for "reviewing" and not telling the journal that you did it?!
Therefore it is a training thing for you, and you need feedback on it.
My two cents anyway... :) With that said, I will have to look at my own review as my PI has asked me to do in good time.
Your favored model is kind of how it works with Advisor. I do my version and he does his. Then we compare notes. It allows me to see some things that I miss and what I'm too harsh on. Maybe you can approach RA about doing a review like this when she's not so swamped?
I think my lab has a decent way of teaching students how to peer-review - my long post here so that I don't hijack your comments :) Much of your doubts could be eliminated by having a team of reviewers, which is the way I have always reviewed papers.
Amanda and SG, I knew there had to be a better way. Thanks for sharing.
Chall, I will definitely get credit for it (fortunately). Advisor recommended me to the editor, who sent a formal invitation and put me in the system with my own login, password, and profile. Advisor's name does not appear anywhere on the review.
I felt like my advisor did a really great job of providing us with training for reviews.
First, in the seminars advisor teaches they force students to do a review of a published article (which is way harder than a work that hasn't yet seen publication)
Second, advisor starts in the second year having students read papers she's reviewing and they both write a review, compare notes and submit one review (by the way advisor always acknowledged they had a students help).
Then towards the end of grad school my advisor would recommend to editors that I review papers they didn't have time to read and they would always read my feedback before I sent it in.
It was a great way of training but also allowing me to develop some independence.
One thing I wanted to mention as well,
is that the format I use to review papers (based on advisors teachings) is to first point out all the good things about the paper. Then, you'd get into the more critical aspects. It helps you gain some perspective on the paper and makes even the most critical feedback a little easier to swallow.
This is a great post but it made me think maybe I did my reviews all wrong. I just read it and wrote what I thought was flawed and what needed work. Maybe it wasn't the best review ever written, or the most in depth but I felt my options were valid and that there was another reviewer and editor with their also valid opinions.
I starting to feel like I got the short end of a stick- my advisor never did any sharing of reviews or anything.
I've always wondered how grad students at my stage (with similar pub records) had reviewing experience from top tier journals on their cvs. This model could lend itself to that...
Glad you got it off your desk!
EGF> AH, that's splendid! I didn't realise you got it on your own... it is fairly common that grad students (and post docs) get reviews via their advisor/PI and then "practice" reviewing and then the advisor/PI sends it in after reviewing the other's review.
The first review I sent in I was very nervous about.... I think it gets better with time. If you have never done it, maybe asking the advisor to look it over for comments?
Wow...non of my PIs have ever had their students or postdocs be the actual reviewer. Like Chall said, the student/postdoc's review gets edited and then submitted by the PI. Cool that you'll get credit!
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